PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Globe, Volume IV, Issue 303, 2 June 1875, Page 4

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Tuesday, June 1. The Speaker took the chair at 8 p.m. SELECT COMMITTEE ON PETITION. On tbe motion of Mr Jebson an extension of time was granted to the committee on the question of the petition as to survey of section at the Hawkins until Thursday next, to bring up their report. COMMITTEE ON DOYLESTON LIBRARY PETITION. On the motion of the Provincial Secretary leave was granted to extend the time to bring up the report of this committee until Thursday uext. ACCLIMATISATION SOCIETY. Mr Potts asked the Provincial Secretary if he will lay on the table a return showing the total amount that has been granted to the Canterbury Acclimatisation Society. The Provincial Secretary said he would endeavour to have the return prepared during the afternoon and laid on the table, pasturage leases. Mr Westenra, for Mr Harper, said that he did not intend to move the following motion until next day, viz.:—"That, in the opinion of this Council, resolutions should be considered during this session with regard to the tenure of the pasturage leases." hospital dressers. Dr Bayner moved " That the Government grant permission to the Resident Surgeon of the Christchurch and the Surgeon of the Timaru Hospitals to receive pupils as hospital dressers, upon payment of fees subject to the approval of the Government. The hon. member said he would draw the attention of honorable members to what perhaps was not known to them, viz., that every facility was given to the applicants in this province—he might say the colonyfox admission in the church and law ; but a great difficulty arose to those who were candidates for admission in the medical profession. In the former, that of the church, eligible persons were selected, who 1 after due probation and examination, would be admitted as priests. In the law, an articled clerk to a legal practitioner could have, after serving the requisite period, and passing an examination by a Judge of the Supreme Court, be admitted to practice as a solicitor. In the case of admission to practice as a legally qualified medical man, many essentials were required, and none more important than that of attendance upon hospital practioe. In the Canterbury province no provision had yet been made to assist those pupils desirous of obtaining it, and although the adjoining province of Otago was now doing, if they had not already made provision for this purpose, yet it was not so here. The increasing importance of tbe Christchurch Hospital, its number of in and out-patients, together with its prominent medical staff, made it in his (DrKayner's) opinion an eligible school in which pupils would have an opportunity of learning the theory and practice of the most important part of their profession. Candidates were required to attend hospitals for such practice by theexamining corporations at home ; but then these hospitals were obliged to have a. certain number of beds. He did not know what that number was in the Christchurch Hospital—he was informed it was 120, —but in any case he could state to hon members that he could assert, from information afforded him by Dr Prins, that in one case, that of the brother of an hon member of this House, who had been a pupil of Dr Prins', bad attended the Christchurch Hospital, and who, upon presenting a certificate to that effect signed by that gentleman, and countersigned by his Honor the Superintendent, was allowed a six months' hospital attendance.out of the regular period by the examining bodies in London. This was most important to the pupil, for it was equivalent to about £IOO saved. It may be said, but where are the pupils? He (Dr Bayner) would say let the Government make every possible provision for the education of medical pupils, and he should consider that by so doing candidates would be equally as numerous as candidates for the church or law. He was well aware that there were other subjects required to be taught in what might be termed a medical school, but he did not think Canterbury sufficiently advanced for that at present. His object was that by giving pupils an opportunity of attending hospital practice on the spot, the knowledge of their profession would be considerably increased, irrespective of economy. He believed that many members of the medical profession were in favor of the motion as a commencement, and a resolution was tabled at a meeting of the whole of the medical staff of the Christchurch Hospital, by Dr Frankish as follows:—" That in view of the recent additions to the Christchurch hospital it is expedient to apply to the various examining bodies in Great Britain and Ireland for an official recognition of the hospital as a medical school." In the above communication addressed to him (Dr Bayner) by that gentleman he stated very properly that a certificate granted to pupils of an institution having no legal status would be valueless. This he admitted, but the circumstances already alluded to in the case have proved it was not entirely valueless. An approval of the motion by that honorable House would, if carried, be of considerable influence with the examining corporation mentioned by Dr Frankish in his note. He (Dr Bayner) was of opinion that if the resolution did no other good, it would lead to an enquiry, and a course of action by the medical staff that would ultimately have the object desired by the hon member. He (Dr Bayner) considered no apology was due for occupying the attention of the House to a matter of training medical youth uponthespotunderthe eye of parents and friends, and giving facilities of obtaining that knowledge of their profession, which would ultimately lead to admission in those corporations for qualification as members of a profession second to none. The hon member in conclusion would suggest that the subject of his notice be submitted to the medical staff of the Christchurch Hospital for them to report to the Government within fourteen days what steps they would consider necessary for carrying out the motion standing in his (the hon member's) name.

The PROVINCIAL Secretary said the Government would have no objection to this resolution, though somewhat out of their line. There Beemed to be no reason why students intending to enter the medical profession should not have the same facilities as those entering others. [Hear, hear.] Of course, in order to see what steps should be taken to carry out the resolution, the hon member should, he thought, add to the resolution some words referring the matter to the professional staff of the Hospital, so as the Government might be enabled to have the

advice of those able to give a professional opinion on it. As regarded the recognition of the Hospital by the Medical Board at home, that had been brought under the notice of the Government. If the hon member would leave the matter in the hands of the Government, they would confer with the medical staff on the subject. Mr PILLIET moved, as an amendment, that the following be the wording of the resolution—" That the Government be requested to obtain a report from the resident surgeons of the Christchurch and Timaru Hospitals as to the advisability of receiving pupils as hospital dressers upon payment of fees, subject to the approval of the Government." After some discussion, the resolution ultimately passed as follows : —" That the Government be requested to obtain a report from the medical staff of the Christchurch and Timaru Hospitals, as to the advisability of receiving pupils as hospital dressers, upon payment of fees, subject to the approval of the Government." LEVELS OF LAKE ELLESMERE. Mr Pilliett moved that the Government be requested to take steps towards causing the levels of Lake Bllesmere to be permanently reduced. Mr Buchanan seconded the motion. The Secretary for Public Works said that after the assurance given by the Government some time back that they did not intend to go on with the work this season, he did not think the hon member would have brought forward this motion. He might now say that the Government did not intend to proceed with the work of draining Lake Ellesmere this year, particularly with the report of Mr Bray and other evidence before them. Mr Montgomery thought that it would be as well if the Government would consider whether it would not be as well to receive proposals to reduce the lakes, and keep them at a lower level; he knew that there were a number of persons who would be prepared to submit tenders. He felt that the Government should take some steps in the matter of receiving proposals before the next session of the Council. He would not advocate a sum being put on the estimates because it was a matter of conjecture, but he hoped that some movement would be made before the meeting of the Council in March. The Provincial Secretary said that the Government only wished it to be understood that they were not prepared to go further than to take the matter into their consideration. The fact was that there was a great diversity of opinion amongst the engineers, and therefore the Government were at a loss to say what steps should be taken. Mr Bray's report really said that even if the Lake were to be drained it would hardly be found to be a profitable speculation, as it might happen that che flats when uncovered might form sandhills, by being carried by the wind on to the fertile sections adjoining. In view of this and the great diversity opinion existing amongst engineers, he thought that the Government could not be asked to do more than to consider the matter during the recess. [Hear, hear.] Dr Turnbull thought that the promise of the Provincial Secretary to consider the question during the recess was of a very indefinite character. He thought the Government should invite applications from the outside public to lower the Lake, which could do no harm, and would perhaps be productive of good. He trusted, therefore, that the Government would invite tenders for keeping the Lake at a low level, and lay the same before the Council. The motion was agreed to. little akaloa. Mr Pilliet moved that the House go into committee to consider the following resolution —•' That the sum of £4OO be placed on the supplementary estimates towards reducing the levels of Cow road, Little Akaloa." The Secretary for Public Works said that so much money had been spent both in Boad Board grants and special grants in the Bays district, that they could not accede to the resolution now before the House. The motion for going into committee was then put and agreed to. In committee, Mr Pilliet moved the re» solution. The motion was agreed to on the voices, reported to the House, and adopted. AKAROA HARBOR. Mr Westenra moved that the House go into committee to consider the following resolution ;—" That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place on the supplementary estimates the sum of £2OO for a survey of the harbor of Akaroa for a graving dock, or slips, suitable for vessels of large tonnage." He thought it was quite time that some steps were taken to utilise one of the finest harbors in New Zealand. There was no question between the harbors of Lyttelton and Akaroa, and he hoped the Government would agree to his resolution. Mr Buchanan seconded the motion. Mr Pilliet said that nature had been so bountiful to Akaroa that there were any amount of sites already fitted for graving docks and patent slips. He should like to see this matter go further. Beports were all very well, but they had a report from Mr Bray, which had cost £4OO, respecting Lake Ellesmere, and they were now told by the Government that they were not going to do anything with it. The Secretary for Public Works said it would be absurd while the matter of graving docks in Lyttelton was under consideration, to pass this resolution. Besides this, no ships would go specially to Akaroa to use the graving dock, as the Government would not consent to spend one shilling of money upon a work which was not required. The docks at Lyttelton would supply all the wants of the shipping, and he would therefore ask the hon member to withdraw his motion. He really could not think that the hon member for Akaroa (Mr Westenra) was in earnest when he put the resolution on the paper. Mr Westenra, in reply, said he was quite in earnest, as he felt that it was a matter of very great importance to the province that so magnificent a harbor should be utilised. The resolution was declared to be negatived on the voices. Mr Westenra demanded a division, but did not press his demand. temuka and geraldine agricultural and pastoral association. Dr Bayner did not move the following motion : —" That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place upon the supplementary estimates the sum of £SO for the Temuka and Geraldine Agricultural and Pastoral Association." EDUCATIONAL RESERVES. Mr TESCHEMAKER moved that a return be laid on the table showing the acreage of the reserves made for educational purposes, comprising superior education, primary educa-

tion, technical science, classical school, and school of agriculture ; and further, showing the acreage of reserves under the various headings crown-granted and leased, and stating the income derived therefrom. 2nd, The acreage of reserves granted but not yet ]p9jSfiQ The Provincial Secretary laid the returnß on the table. On the motion of Dr Turnbull the returns were ordered to be printed. commission on surveys. Mr Jebson obtained leave to postpone the following motion until Thursday next : That in the opinion of this Council the Government should appoint a commission during the recess, to inquire into the matters referred to in the report of the chief surveyor, relating to the surveys and Crown grants already issued and that may be issued before the Commission bring up their report. SUMNER ROAD. Dr Turnbull moved that the House go into committee to consider the following resolution —" That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place on the supplementary estimates the sura of £4OO, for the purpose of widening the Sumner road at Shag Rock Point." It was intended to improve the road between Shag Rock and Day's Hotel, which, as hon members well knew, was very narrow ; and he hoped the House would consent to the motion. Mr Fisher seconded the motion. The Provincial Secretary said the Government would not oppose this vote ; indeed they had intended to propose the amount on the supplementary estimates. [Laughter.] The motion for going into committee was then agreed to on the voices. In committee, Dr Turnbull moved the resolution, which was agreed to and reported to the House, and adopted. OXFORD BUSH ROAD. Mr HIGGINS moved that the House go into committee to consider the following resolution :—'• That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place on the supplementary estimates a sum not exceeding £SOO, as a grant in aid for the purpose of opening up the bush roads in the Oxford district." The motion was agreed to. The House went into committee, when the motion was agreed to, reported to the House, and adopted. SHEEP ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ORDINANCE, 1875. Mr Wynn Williams moved the second reading of the Sheep Ordinance Amendment Ordinance, 1875, No 2. The motion for the second reading was agreed to on the voices. The committal was fixed for next sitting day. CANTERBURY AGRICULTURAL AND PASTORAL ASSOCIATION. The following notice of motion by Mr Gray was postponed until next sitting day : —"That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place on the suppleplementary estimates a sum not exceeding £250, for the Canterbury Agricultural and Pastoral Association." Ll AND NO. 2 RIVERS. Mr J. N. Tosswill obtained leave to postpone the following motion until Thursday:— " That his Honor the Superintendent be respectfully requested to place upon the supplementary estimates a sum not exceeding £7OO, as a grant in aid for the purpose of removing certain clay bars and other obstructions in the Ll and No 2 Rivers." WIDTH OP TIRES ORDINANCE, 1875. Mr Harper moved the second reading of this Bill. The motion was agreed to, the Bill read a second time, and ordered to be committed next day. EDUCATIONAL RESERVES LEASING ORDINANCE, NO. 2, 1876. The Provincial Secretary moved the second reading of this Bill. The motion was agreed to, the Bill read a second time, and committed. In committee the Bill passed without amendment, was reported to the House, and the third reading fixed for next sitting day. RESERVES. The House then went into committee to further consider the reserves made temporarily by his Honor since the last session of the Council. SUPPLY. The House then went into committee of supply. The following votes were proposed:— Class 23—Education, £32,084. Agreed to. Class 24—Harbour department, £4166 4s. Agreed to. Class 25—Harbour works, £243,878 0s 2d. On this item being put, Mr Dixon moved that the sum be reduced by " £IOO,OOO, Timaru breakwater." After some discussion, the motion to strike out the item was negatived on the voices, and the item passed as printed. Class 26—£3000, immigration. Agreed to. Class 27—Railways and Wharf :—Subdivision 1 : Management, £5052. Agreed to. Subdivision No 2—Passenger department, £4BOO 6s. Agreed to. Subdivision 3—Passenger department : South line, £5370 Is.

Subdivision 4—Passenger department : North line, £2706 10s 6d. Agreed to. Subdivision s—Goods depot: Lyttelton and Christchurch line, £17,674 2s 6d. Agreed to. Subdivision 6—Goods and wharf : Lyttelton, £10,060 4s 2d. Agreed to. Subdivision 7—Goods department: South line, £9lO 17s. Agreed to; Subdivision B—Goods department: North line, £1297 16s. Agreed to. Subdivision 9—Police and gatekeepers: Lyttelton and Christchurch line, £273 15s. Agreed to. Subdivision 10—Gatekeepers: South line, £855 9s. Agreed to. Subdivision 11—Gatekeepers: North line, £521 13s 4d. Agreed to. Subdivision 12—Extension of lines, working expenses, £B6BO. Agreed to. Subdivision 13—Contingencies and Timaru line, £IO,OOO. Agreed to. Subdivision H—Engineering department: Office staff, £4106 12s Bd. Agreed to. Subdivision 15 Stores department, £14,559 19s 4d. Agreed to. Subdivision 16—Locomotive running department, £19,308 lis 6d. Agreed to. Subdivision 17 —Locomotive carriage and waggon and general repairs, £9209 3s. Agreed to, Subdivision 18—Permanent way department, £19,339 10s 4d. Agreed to. Subdivision 19 Works department, £4928 12s. Agreed to. Subdivision 20—Tunnel staff, £839 12s. Agreed to. Subdivision 21—Wharves and jetties, £3589 16s, Agreed to,

Subdivision 22 Railway renewal fund, £4335 lis 9d. Agreed to. Class 28—"Lighterage and cartage, £BOOO. Agreed to. Class 29—Railway works, £203,625. The following were the items under this class :

Selwyn bridge, £180; increase of shed a f Lyttelton, £2400; new shed at Lyttelton, £5000; purchase of buildings at Lyttelton, £3000; goods sheds at Papanui, £400; additional roads and sidings in Christchurch goods yards, £3000; extension of sidings, material, and labour, £8000; conversion of guage from Rakaia to Addington, narrow guage line from Addington to Lyttelton, £30,000; drainage of Christchurch goods yard, £5000; porter's cottage at Addington, £200; repairing shop for narrow gauge rolling stock at Rangiora, £800; narrow gauge engine and carriage shed, £3500; railway workshops and machinery, £9000; contingencies, £4000; Styx goods eheds, £400; weigh bridges, £2000; cranes, £4000; branch railways, £5000; Timaruand Temuka, £7000; Washdyke to the Point, £6000; Extension Point Railway to Opawa crossing, £60,000; rolling stock, sft 6in, £1000; rolling stack, 3ft 6in, £7000; additional roads on reclaimed ground, £1000; extension goods shed, Kaiapoi, £800; alteration platform and roads, Kaiapoi, £500; extension Waimate branch railway, £10,000; yards and stage for stock, £1000; survey of line, Oxford to Waimakariri Gorge, including junction Kaiapoi and Eyreton line, £500; well at Dunsandel, £7O; well at Rolleston, £75; widening roadway and new gates, Riccarton and Papanui, £SO ; gatekeeper's house, Antigua street, £200; outfit for new lines, including water supply, at stations, extension of lines, £500; fencing Christchurch goods yard, £SOO ; groin at approach Waimakariri bridge, North line, £4OO ; increase of platform and station accommodation, £BOO ; carriage docks at stations, £2OO ; additions import shed, Christchurch, £3OO ; purchase land Christchurch station, £I2OO ; purchase (Howe's) land, Lyttelton and Christchurch line, £550 ; gas for Lyttelton station and wharves, £1000; railway signal apparatus, £1000; railway telegraphic system, £ISOO ; rails, materials, point?, crossings, &c, £8000; accommodation for employees at up-country stations, £5600; water tank, Christchurch yard, £9OO ; wagon docks to engine shed, £IOO j total, £203,625. EDUCATION ORDINANCE, 1875.

The House went into committee on the Education Bill.

Clauses 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and 39 were passed. Progress was then reported, with leave to sit again.

Notices of motion being given, the House adjourned at 11.30 to 3 p.m. next day.