THE SCRAMBLE FOR THE LOAVES AND FISHES.

Manawatu Times, Volume IV, Issue 59, 28 July 1880, Page 3

THE SCRAMBLE FOR THE LOAVES AND FISHES.

qn Friday night- last 'the' following dis. gracefu^" wrangle took place over .thehonoiraria to -bo paid to i hon. metabers, . ; When the' item of J82 1^70, for expenses for [Members of both Ho. use?, eanie up for •discussion, : ' ; \A ;.:.;.> ■••■.; <...: ijlr. Mtjbbay eTitid charity, should .begin at home. (He'would move thai; the honorarium should be."iediiSed'#fi 'one-half [f and t'he vote •lioald^be reduced by fllO,ooo. >' - The,:Hoii:i.the PisEMißßisaid;th"e^Goverrt? ment recommended that the amount of; honorarium should be reduced bjJ2O_ger cent., ancl itiovect a resulu£ion to "that effect!"' ■:■■.. MY..'. Pitt would mo*e that the.honora- ! rhim- v "ofJ both' Houses should not be vbtfe'd '}'■ The Ohai^maw said/ tWs Tcouldi'not be done, as the amount voted, whatever it wis, must jbflf *for the members of : hps Houses. jMr^M'CiTrcra*^ would "move 'that the honorarium of members of the Lower .-Hiouselb'e reduced 1 " % -Wehty and*, of thj» Upper House by fifty per cent. t> '{ I jThe CflAißitAN filled .that -this ,cqulcJ not •:.be pufc— £rhe membierVof thY House' here Jbecame very noisy.] : Mr. Mubbay hoped "the'members of the T% use wpuldjtshow-'their sincerity,. n.p.w (fcfear, hearVandj ironical cheers.) 1 He hoped t hey would riot idescen'd ' to 'be a miserable set o.fjßflJwtQrs,. r . w^ '.._ ..„. . ... J — ! .Mb. Beeves said. Mr. Murray need not. Tdfaw^'his honorarium. _■'-' '^ b Mr. Mubbay said he would leave his iri th erl cdlpniali bb estftf hoihVt^ memb'eS .'would' •sdp - v t- ;: u r 1- -:-:I: : rrj v:? h. :t ]Mv.»WQ*vMi**.i<£ he wpuld ifrtherhohi f^emfietiojt ß^ag^rqulA. „ r .j ._.-.-; 7 )o d J i Mr. MACAiTDEiw c ßaid it was aj pity , that yiar after^year r the vote stibuid l be i -.bisou'g'ht' 'down int'tbis^ wayp-tiSing-'membersi-of both Houses together^ ' Hi would propose that the itemrcbe postponed, and that separata item3.bej>.co.ught down. .. (Cries. of Np> no^. i The Chairman ruled that the item could ,nbt : Ue;.pqstporied.,: ; Sl '■ T' r ' ; ' ; ■V'i'/.J. ."}■■ i ■The Hon;-.tl(e-J?BBjpaß.BaidAa; blopk sum might be voted, and its disposal ;might be (jettledvibyi a ; vote of; the House ~ v ,.*,., ,. ... ,-»[_"" ■ i Mr. BoWEif hoped iMr, Murray would' withdraw, njp.tion^ wh^sli : h^jmight^ .kpowwduldnever bVca^riedV f "' v ' : Mr. SHBPHIBUi jdjd 'qot' agree, frith the .'course propo^'ed < by-jfbji' i 'Bjis^ieV^klth | ough 'there was'a c very ! *strong ij teAiid^. tnafe Some 'di3tLactiQn-^^jjiouid3.«™xuad# JjLet^een^.thfs. payment of members of the Upper and jljowir /HbuseAii 5-He wduUiJlike: sto saylie^.Fore he sat downuthafcLtlrfr.rediictions of the. Ministers would not amount to more than 3 15 per cent, j-^ai^if^icfr;-^ ■ Mr,i;BABiWN i: ,Bogges^d;^thatpJhef.t;\»ro, ? items be brought down on the supple^ mentary jßstimates^ibeing, sums,: for ]*»{&■ House separately; """ B^e "^noutSC 'thewfore move that the item"' under discussion be postponed. „ .." ",~ , ' Mr. &BpB(^B 'reiniifd'tfd J-lje soi(Be .tjiat the'Min'is^ryVould not vote' for a ; reduction ' of the of their ■acc'«seio'ts4rattd/ the'y : mighii ; n6t s be4n office •another month"/ „ He_himsel£ was. in _favor of a reduction_of ten per cent. I Mr. BiiAX^pif: /fould f ayor of the ? honorarium being J tlie same a.s it was prior ■toiSw.i'f.oi; %m%i;'y~;?M-~ i, ~*l<j ■ Sir G-eoboe Q;BHTimo*ed/ that the item be withdravrn. He did^not think it was fiir to-mix thei.two Houses np together .m the way now being done. ■ ; The Chaibjias said "there could be no motion>fop; withdrawing- the'4tem;}.'itOmig)Vf; „;•■,■ i ,, ;!,..■;;, Wi'?"':- "-- \ The r '''^6a.'ith«\PtfEi«ip|B^Bugge3''fed;' ? tliat;" on gdingiinto Co'mmitlee of ' SuiJply- ndxt-| : -'a'' series qfj reiolu^ionsj mjght fi be.;introdug^d; and de-ilt wVtlr on the whole' subject. | Sir-GEdk^E^i&BE^ would" substitute 'the vford^" omit "o.fpr. ;'? wJthdjavfi:" toi;. Jet ; tlie. main .quostioqed be disCjUssed^ before^ the sum was' Voted. - d> - i ' L --'"' i '■.'■ '-a •--.- ■''•."■":" | Mr.: iSEDDOK; should be . rep.oi:led,r an,d his Bill for the p'ayment'of members be considered. (Laugh* '.ter.).)iKsA - ; l . " ■-■j Mi*. SAT7STDIB3 w.Cjhl^ suppor|i.,the a^endr ment of the hon. molmber Tor Bruce. wK:eh would provide for aY induction ! Sf .20 par) e'ent. on their ow^n] thonbrariaj ri an4 : "-would : sjrike o£E the honoraria of .the maaibers/of the Upper House altogether -' ■ 1; ••' I Mr. B.owes would' very much like to know why .th'dy slxo.uld strike on?i:the'faondlrWia- of tlieJUpper SousV altbgeth'er. If' they did, -it'wbuld confine the members to that clasa which ifc.was not desirable to hare Wholly m "BUch~VrChamber^lfejtn^ men, for, men, of small means would not be able to sit uV W-'^ ; H ' ■ Z -'• '':- -£ . ; Mp.,SwA»spN',. did^not, see that', menabers of the r Upper Hio > use i livi«g' : -in WeiiirigtpQj': should bo paid. , .^J*- ! Mr. MoS3 sff*- no. : rea>oh"fc make any " distinction between either of the Houses. He regarded >-. this -members! pay. :as a'Jsacred matter, and vvould-j be[ glud to see it filed. by statute. (Hear, hear.) It was already low, ;f npij? \ >; • mi nc l«cd, \ }\; r knew, i p .other place where it/wfas ; so ;smjill. ' ,; '\ * 3 ?i "- - ! The motioa to' omit th» item' was negatived. r 7 ~~~ r „; . •: Mr. MtTBBAT's r mdtioTv to 'reduce the item iwa&^*ls.a declared, to .be_._negatived_qn^. the. jroices. ■.'■'■:■•■. -. ;.''■? ■■' ■ : Mr.cMOB.»AT called for.f» division. -^"Sp? tjiilkMyeX 1^ i 58/^ ' iX „f # j Mr. MJCAtra^A^ w.ould li,ke; to^se^Lj-their. honorarik^Mduced 1 JK)- 1 per" citfnt'4 ■» m a the members of; .Upper SO per cent. . | MrVPViß'sai^it was'a r poof ttbm*plinient J to put men into ithej^U^per.JHouse, and then 'give them 'so little that "they" could not meet thair se3sional*«ipens«9.-.;jNo distincti9.nj?hbi\ld_bejnade, for all had_ to suffer enough, (Jod knew, -who came to thls"pitifur •riflag€of^emng|i)nT ((Oh, an^aughfer^: ] Mr. SPj!i(jHT:thought x they^ahould ,ga tb. ( the vote at once,, and- he ;%jp?d the House iwoinld.-not Trfduce , the hon"orariA pne.cez^t. jrhey'"' y #w^^d.n.iy''^*i^n^;^i;i^)B^'f(J* wi^f member had quite 1 made v dp his mind how he wawld vote. ,"7^" .* ... r '•■_, j ' Mr. l Mo6BHOtrßißf wesi'sure-thisTedtfotibn 'cpywas% very^unpopular 'bne/>'and ;f6r^-hi»i own part he should not be m favoniof voting; ;for,_\t. ... - '• ■■• ■ '___ . ■ „ ; Mr. Masi tKougfii' r ffiiiiy~sHburd"fie pairl |thcir.'eip.ensei afc^the)sapie| rate. '§8 Ministersap.s Judges, and not tpiifioejrd lOOdaysV^ ; Ms. S. B. Fis«KS i "it*i m favor of a ten per cent, reduction..-/ v-r if ! .Mr 7 .ev\\fHiTJ !^^;,"thon i ght i^hijo,; thejh ;we,re'cu'tting u dp,wn salaries tKerqtigHlf'itfpt to, ibrget their p^.n'ih.dnorarial!' J u- >^ 1 partly tb iS liavinjr' Midto^elilebTiort^Hi^ disMct t^^He" would- tote^ortHii "full 1 h'tridr^um-of jmembers of both Houses,; and he should do so. • '• '-- ] - , T.he mdtibn for. the.2o p«r)«entVre'duction jitm ihen^put, andi declared lta'Jb'eilbjJtionjttft', Voices. A division .was .then eallsd for, with the ffollqwißg iresulti i~ , : \ \ , J | A.YJB3, j ;85ir-Messrs. ;Aaam.s, AHwright, Atkinson, B^in, ;B>rTOn, ; Bsetham, Bowen, Brandon, .Dick, ,Eox^.J!ulton,; Hall,^ Hur3t W.r J.I Hursthbuse, Jphnstoa, ?en,ny, Le,rin,'Mason, Masters, M'Caugti'an^M'Dot^ald, Murray, QliT«r.,..Qrmqnd, Pitt^. Eichmdnfl, "Bichardsoni Kdlle3ton,Saunderij"Sh'ephard, Stere.B,^ Stu r dholm.i /Swansob;. WhitktJr, and Wright. , ■ NoB3. T 39.— Messrs. Andrews, Ballance,, &. 8., P^e>«?J?;i3Ji,^Gtea^ge;AClibijß, &isborne, Hamliu, Hams, Hint H., If #la nd,

r Jbti6s; Kelly/ jbundon, Macandrew, . Montgomery, Moorhouae, Mpas, O'Rorke, Pyke, Reevts, Reid, Se'ddori,' $hariks,' Sheehan, Shrimski^ Stewart, , Taiiiui, Tawhai, Te Whfcoro;'; TKomsori, ! Tole, Tombaha, Turn<bull, and Wallis. , Mr. Allwbioht moved that th«i reduction be 15 per cent. ' i - . Mr..;-SHBEHAN iaid .that the. .House ■would; haye to paps the full ; vote or gqqd men ,be debarred fram 4 coming, to the Ho'use. ""'ir they wanted" free^atit^tipn^ and a liberal policy, they must Mve payment of rpenibers. . He was Tory glad to. say tliat' now lie eoulcl Ao without the '.Vql«'| but for that reason he ihould stick but for -the highest possible payment. In the course "of~lifiT "rerniflts "MrT Slieehan* gave" Mr. All wright tome rather hard knooks. S The Hon. the Pbemibr was about replying io tome o( tlie remarks -whan Mr. R^eve9 r .got..np, .end ,a scene, of great cpnfusion s 'aro ! sej he refusing for -some Seconds to: si\ down when caUe'd.to order by the Chairman. The Hon. the Premier then I continued -his remarks. When theTPremier sat , down about »: dq?;en members rose up atonce.*;; ;Ur .'.-.(■•■.'■ :; ■■■■-■>:■. :•.:■: ':-■ '..: jMr. Shrimski briefly addressed the Hbuse, and said more credit fer good feeling shonlcPbe* given 'the hon; member for the Tharpf.9 (Mr., Sheobau) than had been giyen tq'him by'the Hon. the' Premier." " 'Mr. Whitakbb again spoke m su/port of the. reduction, and twitted the other side. |Mr._ Seddou, spoke against it, saying he ho(Ded' the GfoTernment woqld^ load the fH;6use, and propose a' measure to reduce the iaibount by ten per cent. - -; jMr. SHBiMgJCi.?«bjected to;.h> lectui-ed .bythehon. member for -Waipa (Mr. Whiibflterjf:-'^ ••] ;' rp. ■■■;" V-^ v C>T 'H' ; '>J;;'' I jSir^WiiiiAM i?ox would be ashamed Wen to look at a Civil servant m the face 4gai.i iChe did not go m for. reducing his oyrn'lVonbrariuml T : -" ' ' ' ' ~ |Mr. Swan son supported the proposed' fifteen per cent.JredwcHon, but at the same tim6 r ,th6ught4t woi\ld be better to take tae "ten per cent.' on the voices and have done vijith it. The- ayes were declared to have it on the "voices, : but a division was called for. Eesult^—^Ayes, 33'; noes,"; 37. ] Th« ten per cent, reduction (amoqn.ting to £215^ lOi:) was'then ' put, and declared ..to fbe'lost ii^on thevoicei, but a.division '■Was called for. The 'following isthedivistoii'list—Ayes, 49; "nbea, 20 ; :-— ' ! - : • ,' Ai^Ss, 49.— Me3Sr§ , Allwright,- Andraws;A'tkin3on,tßain,i 'SavronV- Beetham, ;Bo wen, Dick, Finn,. Fisher, JT.T. (tellen)i Foxi Eul-: ton, Glihbs.jQ-isbprnfi, Hall, Harris, Hirst, H., Hui'st, W. J., Bursthouse,. Johnston, Kelly ? Keuny, Levin, Macan'dreW, Masbn, "it'Caugham, -Maßter97~M'DenaM,^ Montgq : mlefyjl'Mufray/OliveiV Bitt, Eeeve3j ReicT, Rielimohd (teller) v;Bichardsbri;, ! Rolle'jhbn, Saunderaj Shanks, Shepard, Shriniski,- Tiirbuli,^hitaber, ■ Wright. . : . : ;. !r ." • Noe^ 20,--:Mesßrs, ; Ballance, Bunny., D«Lfiuto,ur, . J. B; S'if.ter, Hamliri, Iveland, Jones ' ; (teller) IJundonV M6orh.ou,se, Mos,s f(tleller), O'Rorke, Pyke, Sheehan, Tainui, •Tawhai, Te -Wheoro, Thomson, Tomoana, t and,Wallis. „ , . ,■ . . !Mr. Moss said he was satisfied, and he wpuld,, now ask. the Grofernment $o .bring dbwaa'-Bill. • ; ■ JMr Moss was ruled<out of order, and sat ..dbwii.- •=: ■■■:■■ ■ ■•••■- •- .. ■■ ■■■ • :..•■■■••■-■ i !Mr^ Br-qwn asked if the amount just "phased. was. for both Houses. , . 1 The Hon. the Coionial TEEistrßßtt said thejr..work;. would he complete if they took o|Ethe*2o per cent, from the Upper House, and put it on the Ijowetß. . .. . ,