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Witness : Mr. Lawson has it here. The total amount of money paid for extra concrete was £1,764 3s. 9d. 1819. Mr. Skinner.] How much per yard is it there?—At schedule-rates. That would bo about 700 yds. 1820. Why did you not adhere to the original plans in regard to footing?— That I cannot explain. I know that in one part Mr. Brindley did not do so, because the ground was continually coming away. It was in the winter, and the weather was exceedingly bad. You could not possibly get underneath the bank without taking away a large quantity of earth; therefore Mr. Brindley decided not to take the earth away, but to cut off the footing. So far as my memory serves me, where the footings were cut away the bulk of the cement was adhered to. 1821. It was Mr. Brindley, you say, who ordered the footings to be cut away?— Yes. The foundations were put in to Mr. Brindley's orders in every respect. I had nothing whatever to do with the alteration of width or depth. In fact the contractor was simply a machine to do as he was told. 1822. Where did you obtain detailed drawings from? —I do not know that I ever had many; I do not remember having any. For the mason, for instance, Mr. Brindley generally marked them off on the zinc, and the mason cut the moulds out. For the stonework, 1 think most of it was done in that way. Ido not remember any details. 1823. Did you carry out the whole of that work without any details ?—Oh, no ! All I say is that Ido not remember receiving details from Mr. Brindley. As I have told you, he marked out the details for the mason —every little detail that was required, even to the chimney-tops and those kind of things ; he actually sot the moulds out for the mason. He was very good indeed in that way. For the carpenters' work he had large drawing-boards made ; whoever drew them I cannot say. I believe Mr. Brindley moulded it and put them to the full size in the drawing-board. The details for the tower I remember seeing set out on the floor of the concert room, full size. It was drawn by Mr. Brindley and Mr. Walter Gore. 1824. When you tendered for the asylum there were no detailed drawings ? —No. 1825. Is it not usual to have detailed drawings ? —Not in Dunedin. I have often wished it was, however. 1826. Can you say where Mr. Brindley was engaged in getting out his detailed drawings ?—I have frequently seen him drawing at his own place. 1827. What do you mean? —He had a room in his cottage, where he had a drawing-board and all the requisites. 1828. On the ground ; he lived out there then ?—Yes. I have seen him getting out details. 1829. While he was getting out details he would not be attending to his other duties?—l do not think that he ever neglected his duties. I will say this, that Mr. Brindley was a most attentive Clerk of Works in every respect. And I must certainly say that, as far as my experience goes, he gives himself far more labour than there is any occasion for him to give. For instance, in the front section, for the side-walls, for the centre blocks, and also for the other blocks, he prepared a 1-Jin. scale-drawing so that everything could be measured off to jVn- No doubt it was very useful, but it was not required in a building like that. It was very seldom that I had it to work from. 1830. Whose duty do you think it was to prepare detailed drawings ? —I have always received them from the architect. 1831. Can you tell me why the sections and dimensions of the downpipos were altered from the original contract ? Please turn up the specifications and you will see at page 10 that "at all open eaves 6in. by sin. moulded eaves gutters will be placed, with all requisite and usual outlets and sloped ends, elbows, and shoots, into ornamental cast-iron water-heads, thickness of gutteriron not being less than -J-in.; gutters carefully secured by screws to the plate provided for that purpose. Water to be carried to the traps at ground-level by the necessary number of sin. by 4in. rectangular cast-iron pipes with moulded sockets and slips, and all well secured to wall and fitted with all necessary bends and shoes complete." That is according to the contract. When the Commissioners were out there they found that the area for carrying off the water was considerably less —nearly one-half in round numbers, and that the pipes were not of the same form ?—lf I remember aright they are a D-shaped pipe. I have some recollection of more downpipes being put in than is shown, but I have no recollection of any alteration. 1832. Perhaps this may be of a little assistance to you.—Will you show me where the downpipes are ? 1833. The Chairman.] There are two sizes of downpipes?—Yes; I think so. 1834. Mr. Skinner.] One is larger than the other ? —Yes. 1835. The largest do not in any way come up to the specification ?—I cannot tell you why the alteration was made. They were to be a sin. by 4in., D-shaped pipe. 1836. They were specified to be sin. by 4in. rectangular. The shape is of very little moment; the only question is whether they would carry off the water ? —I cannot say why they were altered, unless that half-round pipes would look neater. 1837. Do you consider that the pipes, as they now exist, are sufficient to carry off the water ?— My impression at the time was that they were ample. I may say that wo had some exceedingly heavy rains—one has already been referred to in the evidence—and the pipes were quite equal to carrying the water off. 1838. Were you there when this heavy rain came down ?—I passed through that afternoon and I went up specially the day afterwards in order to see to the drainage. I certainly never heard that it overflowed the gutters; and it would have made the building damp and plain to be seen. 1839. I have not seen the construction of the gutters, but I hardly think so ?—Surely it would make the walls damp.