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124. Need they be close together I—lf1 — If they were not it would remove the greater part of my objection. . 125. Supposing they were not close together, would you still wish to do away with the class examination? —No. 126. Then you think the class examination does give to the teacher sonic say .' —1 would not bar the teacher' from having an examination of some kind, but it' there is to be an external examination Ido not sec why there should bo this other examination for keeping terms. 1 would let the external examiners take all the responsibility. 127. Then you do not agree with those who argue that this class examination gives the teacher some influence over his student in obtaining his degree?—He can stop a student from going up for his degree as a rule, as in the case I mentioned; but there the student (being allowed a pass) did go up, and there was nothing to prevent him from doing so. 128 The Chairman.] That is not so in all the colleges: he must keep terms in the subjects in which he goes up for his degree examination ?—I do not know how the college authorities can do that legitimately; there must be a backdoor way of gaining their point. The regulations are 129. But the college authorities have sufficient power to give such interpretation as they 'think fit as to what shall be construed as keeping terms?— That may be so. 130 Mr Allen 1 With regard to the constitution of the College Council, you do not approve of primary-school teachers being on it?—l do not approve of their having three representatives on it. I do not think that the primary-school teachers should have any direct representation on the University Council, but only as members of the general community. 131 Do'vou see any reason why, if the primary-school teacher as the holder of a degree should have representation, and also the secondary-school teacher, they should also have representation as members of Convocation?—! think there should be "one man one vote in a case likp that 132. I do not suggest he has got more than one vote : but do you not think that is overrepresentation by the community? —Yes. 133 The Chairman.] Coming to the last question, 1 was asking you about the constitution of the local colleges : you expressed the opinion that to put the graduates with all the others into one constituency might mean that the graduates would be swamped?— Yes 134. Would that not apply in much greater degree to another class that is proposed to be given representation in the Bill before the House-that is, the Council of the City of Dunedin? ~ Ye i3s. There would be much greater possibility of the City Councillors being swamped then? —Yes, they would be altogether swamped. 136 And with regard to graduates, is it not likely that you would gel from them a much .neater variety in the interests they represented than you would have in, say, the representatives of the scholastic institutions?— Yes, the graduates would be more representative. 137. Art you in favour of the abolition of the keeping of terms?—l expressed that opinion. but I certainly think students ought to attend classes. 138. Your only objection to it is that the final examination comes too close upon the external examination? —Yes. 139 You were a student of the Mining School of OtagoJ—Yes. UO. In the Mining School you did not have the external examination for your diploma'— No ' 141 Do you reckon your diploma has suffered in value on that account?— Not in the least 142' Following that up, may we gather from that that the factor which determines that value does not depend upon whether there is an external examination or not J— lt does not depend upon "he external examination; it depends upon the teaching staff and the graduates themselves —the reputation they make in the outside world. 143 You referred to the.differen. provincial Schools of Mines: 1 wish to ask whether you think that for a mining degree or diploma such as is granted by the University schools a less term of underground work should be required than for the mine-manage, s certificate 1-Cei-tainly tho* who attend the classes and pass examinations should not be required to be so long Unde lS° maTShtAfrao you think would be sufficient underground for the requirements of the University mini,.- student to qualify him as a mine-manager ?-If five years is all that is require"} by Se Government for mine-manager's certificates, I think three years would be sufhCient l« t> SlSe professors being represented on the University Councils?-! think there should be two governing bodies-one academic body and one for finance. llfi Will yon Kive them representation on finance?-Yes, one representative IS: And on the academic side that would correspond somewhat to the Professorial Board? ~ Ye i4B Exclusively of professors ?-No; there should be a graduates' representative, and I think academic work subject to the approval of, say, the financial body?-Yes, it could be done in that Way 'lso Do you think that the professors receiving fees is not a stimulus to is a stimulus in a way, but if you have.he right man as ~ professor I think he will work tor the sake of knowledge whether he receives fees or not.