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Alone, or with any one else ?—To appear alone. Did you intend to go, or stop away ? —I intended to go, in accordance with the wish of the Administrator. Did you make a start to go ? —I started from my home and got as far as Vaie'e. That was a very wet day. I had been confined to my house after looking after the store for some time, and I was taking medicine, as I was unwell. Did you have any advice about your illness ?- I received medicine from the Catholic priest, and he instructed me to refrain from going into the salt water and getting cold. Did you have any water to cross in going to this meeting with His Excellency ? —There is a lake at Nuisatia to cross. Is there any bridge across it ?—There is no bridge across it. What did you do ? —When I started off I decided to disregard the advice of the priest in order to obey His Excellency, but while on the way the rain came on. I got wet and I felt very cold. What did you do then ? —I saw the lake ahead of me, and that decided me to return, and I decided to write to His Excellency and explain the reason why I disobeyed his instructions. How far did you get from your home before you decided to return ? —As far as from here to Mulinu'u—about two miles. Did you write the letter that night ?—I prepared the letter that night, but the following morning, before I had an opportunity of sending it to His Excellency, the malaga party had gone, and I received an order stating that my title had been taken away from me. I was ordered not to use the title. And what do you know about your trading license ?- —Later on I received a letter from His Excellency stating that my license was cancelled as from the 20th July. Was it sent to you or to some one else ? —lt was sent to my head office in Apia, and a letter sent to me from the Head Office. [Letters and notice put in : Exhibit No. 15.] Do you know of anything that you have done against the peace, order, and good government of the Territory ? —I done nothing except join the Mau. Has anybody asked you why your license should not be cancelled ? —No. Have you ever had a trial at all ?—No inquiry at all of any kind. Are you married ? —Yes, with three children. Have you any billet now ? —No. Did you ever worry about what will happen to your wife and children ? —I have worried considerably. Have you done anything about it I—No,1 —No, I seek redress before this Commission. Can your wife do the trading ? —Yes. Why does she not do it I—Some1 —Some time back I wrote to His Excellency asking him if my wife would be permitted to run the trading-station if my license was cancelled for a lifetime. And what happened ? —I asked that he grant a license to my wife to trade so that she could support herself and family. What was the result of that ? —I did not receive a reply. Have you any idea how you can make a living for your wife and family ?—I will have to go to my relatives to get food from them to support my wife and children. Mr. Meredith.] Are you a member of the Mau ? —Yes. How long have you been a member ?—Six or eight months from the commencement. Have you subscribed to the Mau ? —Yes. To whom did you pay the money ?—To the secretary of the Mau here in Apia. Who is the secretary of the Mau I—Matau.1 —Matau. Where do you see Matau ? —I sent my subscription from Safata enclosed in an envelope addressed to Matau. At what address ? —Matau in Apia. What station did you work at %—Fusi, Safata. Did you attend the Mau fono there ? —Yes. Did any Europeans address the fono there ? —There were no Europeans or half-castes present. Did you address any meeting there ?—Yes. Do you believe in banishments ? —They are very wrong. Do you know two boys, Sola and Kele ?—Yes. Did you ask for them to be banished from their village ?—Yes. Was that not very wrong, then ? —lt was not very wrong because they got up against me. And were they banished I—Yes. And did not the people afterwards want them back ? —Another chief wanted them back, and without consulting me he went to the Faipule. And did you object to them being allowed to come back ?—I did not object as I was not consulted. Were they to come back would you have any objection to giving them a chance ? —lf I had been consulted I would have asked for their return. How long were they away from their village ? —I cannot remember how many months. What was the name of the chief who asked that they be brought back ? —Ale-Pio. And did you not tell him that you objected to them coming back ? —No. Did you not say that you had not got a reply from His Excellency ?—Rev. Mr. Lewis wrote to me saying that I was to come to Mulinu'u when I had an opportunity. The Chairman.] Was that about an application regarding his wife carrying on the trading business ? —No, this was an order to appear at Mulinu'u to discuss something with Mr. Lewis. Mr. Meredith.] And did not the letter say that in reply to your letter to His Excellency Mr. Lewis Tiyas instructed to ask you to come and see him ? —Yes, it was to that effect,

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