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Who obtains the " fine mats " that are presented ? —The orators receive the " fine mats " as well as somejof the chiefs. So that in your district when any " fine mats " are presented you divide them with the others ?— All the chiefs receive them. Do not the orators receive the big share ? —Yes, the high-standing orators would get more than the lower ones. You are a high-standing orator, are you not ?—Yes. Was not the proposal to divide the land in the village considered by the village council ? —Yes. Is that not your signature [file handed to witness] ? —Yes. Is that not an agreement by all the people to subdivide those lands ?—Yes; that is why we decided the Faipule should have the land we all agreed with. When the Faipule went back on it, that was why we were dissatisfied. You were agreeable to the division of the land ? —Yes; but I am not satisfied with it now. Are you interested in the health of the Samoan people ?—Yes. Are you satisfied that yaws and hookworm are less now than was formerly the case ?—Yes. Are you not grateful to the Administration for what has been done in that respect ? —Yes, we are grateful, Do you not think that the Administration has done good work for the Samoans ? —Yes, good work for the health of the Samoans. Did you know that Mr. Williams reported that that was not so ? —I do not know. Mr. Williams did not tell you ? —Mr Williams only said that there was some matter about which their section was dissatisfied with the Medical Department. Did he tell you that the Medical Department was bad ? —Yes, he said that. Did he translate to you what he actually did say in his report ?■—No. Do you not think that the Samoans should pay for the medical services against yaws and hookworm I—When1 —When a person wants an injection for yaws he should pay for the injection, and when he requires medicine for hookworm he should pay for it. If money can be spent to prevent yaws and hookworm in Samoa, would that not be money well spent ? —Yes, it would be useful. Do you not think it would be better to prevent the disease from coming in than to cure it when it is here ? —The prevention is all right, but when one gets sick he ought to provide money to pay for his own medical treatment. Do you not know that in other countries medical taxes are paid by the people I—l1 —I did not know that. Did not any of the Europeans explain what was done in other countries 'I—No.1 —No. you approve of Samoans being sent to Fiji to be trained as Native doctors % —I approve of that. Do you approve of Samoan girls being trained as nurses ? —Yes. Do you not think that the Samoans should pay for the training of their doctors and nurses ?— That might be so, but in my opinion the Samoan taxes are quite sufficient to cover those expenses. If the other taxes were not sufficient, would you think it only right to pay ?—No. There are quite sufficient Samoan taxes paid to cover all the Samoans espenses. If they were not agreeable, would they not be agreeable to pay more for the medical services ? — I would not agree. Who told you that the taxes from the Samoans were sufficient to pay the medical expenses ? —No one told me. Have you seen the balance-sheet of the Administration I—No. Witness: I would like to correct a statement that was made this morning with reference to what I said about Mr. Williams having informed me of grievances against the Medical Department. I thought I would ask who dealt with that particular matter. Mr. Williams, Faumuina, and myself were appointed to go into the matter of the Medical Department—Mr. Williams for the European members of the Citizens Committee, and Faumuina and I for the Samoan members. I expect Mr. Williams's report and the report made up by Faumuina and myself are before the Commission. Mr. Williams mentioned to us that they were dissatisfied with the Medical Department. That is all. The Chairman.] Were you present yesterday when Tamasese was examined by me ? —Yes, I was present. Did you hear the evidence ? —Yes, I heard the evidence, but I cannot remember all that was said. Do you agree in substance with the evidence given by Tamasese ?—No. What do you disagree with ?—I did not discuss the matter with Tamasese, and I did not know that we disagreed. Is Tamasese a high chief I—Yes,1 —Yes, he holds the king's title. There is a passage in the Samoan Native Affairs Report which reads, " We view with great sorrow the manner in which the two high chiefs representing our kings of the past are being set aside. The office which they hold is called the ' Fautua,' which means that of adviser to the Governor or Government. We are of the firm opinion that they should be consulted in all matters, and thus Samoa will get the benefit of their views, as well as perpetuate a status for the most honoured families in the councils of Government." Is Tamasese one of the chiefs referred to I—lt1 —It refers to Malietoa Tanu and others holding the king's title. And does it refer, amongst others, to Tamasese ?—Yes. Did you hear Tamasese say yesterday that one of the objects of the Mau was to secure power to the Samoans to make laws for Samoa ?—I heard that. Do you agree with that ? —Yes.

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