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And the pulenu'u is one of the leaders of the village ? —Yes. The Chairman.'] Is the ■pulenu'u a paid Government official ? —Yes. Mr. Meredith.] And before you took the office of pulenu'u you took an oath of loyalty to the Government ? —I was not sworn. Did you receive payment ?—Yes, from the Government. How much —£4 10s. per quarter. Do you remember being questioned by His Excellency the Administrator on the 16th July of this year ? —Yes. Did you not tell His Excellency that day that you had been sworn in as pulenu'u ?—No. He asked me, but I told him I was not sworn in. Mr. Lewis and Mr. Braisbv were there at the same time, were they not ? —Yes. And they heard what was said? — Yes. Do you remember at Leulumoega, on the Administrator's malaga, on the 12th July, 1927, the Faipule asked you to go to His Excellency's fale ? —Yes. On that date ? —The Faipule himself did not speak to me. The policeman brought the message. The Chairman.] What was the message I—lt1 —It stated the Administrator instructed me to come to where the malaga party were. Mr. Meredith.] You were told His Excellency wished to see you ? —Yes. And did you not refuse to go ? —I did not go. Did you not refuse to go ? —I refused to go. I thought it was no use going, because I was in the Mail. Was it not your duty as pulenu'u to go to His Excellency to report, as you were asked to do ? — As far as the office of pulenu'u was concerned. From my own opinion I did not go. Who told you that you should not go to His Excellency the Administrator ? —Nobody. It was my own idea. Had you attended any fonos of the Mau in your village ? —There were no meetings held in my village. Had you attended any/owos of the Mau anywhere else ?—No. Whom had you talked with about the Mau in your own village ? —Alipia only. Had Alipia told you not to have anything to do with the Administrator ? —He did not say anything like that. The Chairman : Is it not sufficient to obtain from him the fact that he knew that the members of the Mau had determined not to attend the malaga ? Mr. Meredith : I have not got it yet, sir. (To witness :) Did you know that the members of the Ma n had decided not to attend the malaga ? —No. Did any of the members of the Mau attend at the malaga ? —No. Were you not asked to go before the Administrator at Mulinu'u two days after the malaga ?—• Which order was that—the order that was brought to me by the policeman or the order signed by Mr. Lewis ? Were you asked to go to Mulinu'u ? —I was written to to come to Mulinu'u. Did you attend at the Native Office at Mulinu'u on the Saturday to show cause why your title should not be taken away and a banishment order issued against you ?- —Yes. And the Administrator asked you about your conduct as pulenu'u ? —Yes. Did you not tell His Excellency that you did not obey because you were now a member of the Mau I—Yes.1 —Yes. Mr. Slipper.] You " did not obey " —did not obey what ? —About coming to report to the Administrator on his malaga. You say it is your duty to go to the Administrator on malaga if you are told to do so : where did you get that from, that it is your duty ? —lt is my own idea. Have you ever been told it was your duty ? —No. Mr Baxter.] We have heard about the cancellation of " fine mats " : do you want to say anything about that ? —We are dissatisfied with that law because it is stopping the Samoan custom for no reason. We have also heard about the medical tax : do you wish to say anything about that % —We are dissatisfied with the medical tax because it is good for some and not for others. We have also heard about the proposed scheme for the division of Native lands : do you wish to say anything about that ? —We do not agree with that. The matai should retain control of his family lands. What is the name of your Faipule ?—Logo. Do you want to tell their honours anything about him or not ? —I just endorse Alipia's remarks about the Faipule. You remember the meeting that thev had in the Market Hall, the first meeting in the Market Hall ?—Yes. Did you go to that meeting ?—Yes. Why ? —Because Samoans were admitted. Why did you go along to the meeting in there ? —I went to ventilate my grievances. Those were the grievances you have been telling us about ?—Yes. There is a lot of trouble in Samoa now : what is the reason for this trouble ?—The prohibiting of " fine mats." Is there anything you have not told us before I—Removal1 —Removal of titles in addition to what I have already spoken about. The Chairman.] Did you hear the evidence of Alipia and Tamasese given to-day in answer to questions put by me ? —Yes. Do you agree with the evidence they gave in answer to my questions ?—Yes.

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