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How did the cocoa-trees get on ? —There is no cocoa at all. What about the bananas ? —There are no bananas at all now. What was the title that was taken away from you I—Autagavaia.1—Autagavaia. What kind of title is that ?—A leading orator. For what district ? —Palauli. Why were you banished and the title taken away from you '!—I do not know, because there was no trial. Did anybody speak to you about it before you got the order that was handed to the Commissioners ? —1 was sent for by Mr. Griffin to appear before him 011 the malaga, which I did. He informed me that the Faipule, Malupo, of our district had reported me for committing a breach of the peace. I then asked Mr. Griffin to have an inquiry between the Faipule and the people of my district to show in what manner I had broken the peace. Hid you admit or deny the charge ? —I denied it. When you were called before Mr. Griffin were you called by letter ?- —The messenger said that he had a message for me to go to Apia. Did he tell you in the letter what he wanted you for ? —No. However, you asked him to have an inquiry made between the Faipule and the members of your village in order to see what the trouble was ? —I wanted to know what offence I had committed. What did Mr. Griffin say as to that ? —He said it could not be done. Did he give you any reason why it could not be done ?■ —Mr. Griffin said that there could be no inquiry between myself and the Faipule ; the only thing I had to do was to go to the other district and reside there. Did you have any friends with you then that could have said anything 011 your behalf I No ; I went alone. Did you not have witnesses at Palauli ? —Yes. Were there any witnesses against you when you appeared before Mr. Griffin ?—I did not see anybody there. Was the Faipule concerned there I—No.1 —No. What is the name of the Faipule ? —Malupo. Before leaving the subject, did you cause a breach of the peace, as was suggested ?—No, I did not cause any trouble or cause a breach of the peace. Is that all that happened, or is there anything more which you wish to say to the Commission ? — That is all. How long after that did you get the order ? —I got the order at Safune, when I had shifted there. Why did you shift to Safune ? —ln obeyance of Mr. Griffin's order. So you were told by Mr. Griffin to do this before you were told to do this by the Administrator '( —Yes. Did anybody else beside Mr. Griffin say anything to you about it ? —Only Mr. Griffin and myself were present in the office. From the time you saw Mr. Griffin up to the time you got the order did anybody else in authority speak to you about it or question you ?—When I was at Safune I was instructed to report myself to the Resident Commissioner. I did so, and I went to Fagamalo, where I was served with the order. Did anything happen when you saw the Resident Commissioner '! —When I called there the Resident Commissioner was in Apia, and there was only the secretary there. Was there any business discussed ? —The Secretary to the Resident Commissioner read out a letter to me and said that the Administrator had ordered me away. Was any reason given why you were banished, or was there any other reason given why you were banished ?—No. Now, coming to the third banishment, when did that occur ? —Lately, when the Mau movement came on. Was it before or after the King's Birthday ? —This is the fourth month of my banishment. Do you not remember the visit of the Minister here ? —I have been banished since that time. Have you got your papers with respect to that I—l1 —I have no papers. Did you not get a paper 'I—No. Wellj then, how did you come to think that you were banished if you did not get a paper Papers were brought by the police, but we refused to accept them. The official date is the 16th July, 1927 : where were you living at the time the order was brought to you I—l was at Mulivai, Apia. Were you living at Vailoa Palauli I—The first order was sent out to me, but I. was at that time at Vailoa Palauli. We just, got orders to go to Falealupo. You did not read that order that was brought to you ?—-No. Were you told what was in it ? —No ; it was not read out to me or explained to me. That is your own fault. Was there any suggestion of arresting you ? —Yes. Were you arrested ?—Yes ; I was eventually arrested and handcuffed. Why were you handcuffed ? —Only by the harsh dealings of the Administrator. The police, as a rule, do not usually handcuff men unless they are using their fists, and things of that sort : did you do anything of that sort ?—I resisted the police, and they asked me to go with them ; and then I also resisted them when they tried to handcuff me. Do you know the reasons of the banishment ?—I do not know, because I was not tried. Have you any idea at all ? —I believe the reason why was because I joined the Mau. Did any official ever speak to you or question you about it ? —No Government official spoke to me or questioned me on the point.

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