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Mr. Botheram : They are quite distinct. Thirty minutes was allowed the driver to get the engine out and ready for the traffic. Mr. Owen : There are different ways of working in different places. I wished to make that clear, because it has never been understood clearly. Mr. McKcrrow : There is another thing I would explain, in case there should be a doubt about it. It is'about the cleaners. We agree that cleaners shall be taken on at from eighteen to twentyone years of age. We were all agreed on that point, and that the pay should rise to 7s. a day. Mr. Winter : Supposing they start at eighteen. Mr. McKerrow : They will get 4s. a day, and rise 6d. each year up to 7s. a day. Mr. Maxwell: If he starts at eighteen he gets 45., with a yearly rise of 6d.; if at twentyone, he starts at ss. 6d., and rises to 7s. at twenty-four years. We have increased the age that older men can come in. Mr. McKerrow : Of course, it is understood that the fifty-four hours cannot come into force at once. It will take time to get the men. Mr. Hoban : When will it come into force ? Mr. Maxwell : We have a large number working only fifty-four hours now. It may take two years to bring it in entirely. The men will have to work overtime. Mr. McKerrow : The effect of these alterations is certainly to enhance the pay of the men. Mr. Hoban :We cannot complain. You have met us more than half-way. The delegates again thanked the Commissioners, and withdrew. [Approximate Cost ofFaper.— Preparation, nil; printing (1,650 copies), MS 10s.]

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