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811 Near Shotlander's shop?— About twenty-five yards away from Shotlander's shop. 312. You name these men I the class of spielers who follow race-meetings, and play games of chance, and use " cronk " dice?— Yes. 313 And you saw them in Wellington about ten days ago/—les. 314 Inspector Fender.] Has McLaughlan been arrested since ?— Yes. 11l She cte k w a afSsS-Y €S ; it was ascertained he had been working a little. 317. You know Eeardon has been convicted on several occasions, and has been in gaol for rObb 3 r iB B? WiS S regard to Sergeant-major Eamsay : you do not recollect his lecturing the men; but is it not a rule or practice for the Sergeant-major at every parade to gwe the men instruction and tell them about any particular matter that is required ?—Yes. the detectives were always hounding them down ?—That is so. 323. In Wellington, I mean ?—Yes. Michael Murphy was examined on oath. 324. The Chairman.] You are a member of the New Zealand Police Force ?—Yes. 325 What rank do you hold ?—Third-class constable. I?" joined the Armed Constabulary in 1879, and the police in 1890 I was five years in the Armed Constabulary, five years in the Permanent Artillery and years in the police. lam one of the men Constable Johnston referred to as having lost the long-service pay, because I joined after 1887. 329- IT iftfwas not allowed to join before. When the Permanent Artillery first started there were sixty of us drafted, and they wanted thirty-five out of the sixty, and I was one of those picked for the Artillery. Those not picked were told they could either ]om the f police or resign on compensation. I said I wanted to join the police, but I was told I was picked for the Penn Sr n wTre rougottm ] g Tn the Artillery ?-6, a day, as second-class gunner. I was inC \Twa?tt a rthe e t r of the Permanent Artillery you refer to?-Yes; about IK£ Men who were in the Armed Constabulary with me are now getting 2s. a day more than 1 do m the P ° liC 33<f That is because they were allowed to join the police ?-Yes. They were not suited for the h have been ted in rank ?-Yes. They were advanced to a certain class after being in the police ten years I was right through the West Coast in connection with the trouble, rf men Force ?—Constable Johnston has told you. 335. Mr. Poynton.] You have heard his evidence and concur with what he says >.— Xes. 336 Do you wish to add anything to it ?—No. . 337' Colonel Hume.] Who picked the men for the Permanent Artillery ?—Captain Capel. 338! The fact was you were a finely-built man, and they did not want to part with you ?—I do not know but it lost me Is. a day. . _ 339 'Mr Tunbridqe 1 You heard the evidence of Constable Johnston on pensions._ Do you agree with him when he said that-compensation of one month's pay for each year of service would be P r |^ t y^ o^ n ] Sl j n w ~ ld eS H ke to ask whether you have considered the question with the particular men Constable Johnston and you represent ?—Yes. 341 The question of pension versus retiring-allowance?— Yes. 342. You do not know much about the details of the Bank of New Zealand provident scheme? _N 343. When did you attend the instruction classes last ?—I have been away in the Nelson district some time. 344 You do not get instruction unless at headquarters .-'—JNo. 345' How long have you been away?—l was away a fortnight at Nelson. 346! Have you been away from Wellington for a month ?—No. 347. Did you attend the classes before that ?—Yes. 348 Every Thursday ?—Yes, when not on duty. 349' How long have you been in Wellington?-Eight years. 350 Do you corroborate Constable Johnston's statement that these classes were only held since the arrival of Sergeant-major Mason?— There were classes for recruits. 351 For recruits, but not for the ordinary constables ?—Not tor all Hands. 352! You do not know what instruction recruits got ?—No, I really do not know. 353. Are you on wharf duty?— Yes. 354. Do you know the town?— Pretty well.