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Thomas Walsh, examined on oath. 54. Mr. Harley.] How old are you ?—Eighteen last November March 1898 WlOng ™™ ** Or P hana g e? - 1 went there ™ September, 1891, and left in 56. Where are you working now ?—At Mr. Mellett's, cab-owner. 57. Your are discharged from the institution now ?—So I believe S ll nH s fl B v a sr e /?\ bee^ b f k t0 !H Or P^ ana € e since y° u left? -! used to go back frequently on bundays after I left, and stayed all day. I used to go to church there punishme^l d fhe th h e a y nd P s UniSh b ° yS * the BCh ° ol ? ~ By fl ° ggl " g ° Q the » aked skin and W £l fl ° gging ° nthe Daked Bkin ' Where Were th e boys struck ?_Acro S s the behind and on the back. They were not particular where they hit so long as it was on the body in the lavatory flo^m g> and where did the thrashing take place ?—Brother Wibertus did it P o3^o + the boys placed ?-They were bent over a bench with their hands same time &J WSre su PP°. sed *° hold their shirts up at the 63. Did you ever get any of this ?—No; I was never flogged myself for -, ftrSS yO Tr e YT + T^ 8 °v ° ther bOyS ? ~ YeS ; J faave Seen b °y s who oould not sit down tor a foitmght They had to hold their trousers out at the back to keep other boys from rushing into them, and to keep the trousers from sticking to the blood-blisters, which broke and made sores. 65. Have you seen the marks on the boys yourself ?—Yes 66. Did many boys get treated like this ?—I have seen a good many treated like that 67. Did you see the boy Lane kicked by Brother Wilbertus ?-Yes; one morning as we were S ro°o, d Lane d)d not have his boote laced or something. He was kicked against two dining-room doors, and his head was cut open forward ° f b ° dy WaS ** ? ~° n the behind ;he WaS kicked .. 69 -JJi r - #f %•] Have you done any hill-work ?—Yes ; I was up there the greater part of my c™e ™ h6n they Were P uttln S U P the boundary-fence I was always up there J 70. Was it hard or easy?— Hard. 71. How many times a day did you go up ?—Sometimes four ; sometimes five. As soon as we got one load down we had to go up again. 72 Who kept you at it ?—Sometimes Brother Wibertus, and sometimes Brother Cuthbert I was no* up four times a day with Brother Cuthbert, but I was with Brother Wibertus. When I was with Brother Cuthbert I had to carry posts out of the bush. , 73 - f What happened to those who could not do the work?-Big or little, the boys had to go t S h°e7h O ad th o e go tittut t≤ t h e a a rdly * S ° metime8 ' ? they a 74. You have heard the food described lately. Was it the same in your time •>—Yes ■ some times worse than now. Sometimes we had boiled rice with syrup in it, and it used to make us sick ; none of the boys liked it. On one occasion Brother Wibertus forced us to eat it was bLrSriUT a "Te c i * nOt 6aten mU ° h SmC6 ' but what Z have had wi! sr'5 r ' War^ ell :\ On how maQ y occasions were you forced to eat it ?—At only one meal We had to go up the hill after it, and most of the boys vomited J v, 7? T Harle y-) Did y° u get Plenty to eat ?— Sometimes I did ; sometimes not Sometimes when I held up my hand for more I would not get it. sometimes 78. Did you ever see them cooking the Irish stew ?—Yes 79. Was the meat always good?— No. On a few occasions I have seen it crawling I have not seen it put into the stew; but I have seen it chopped up ready to be put in § _80. Mr. Wardell.\ What do you call " crawling » ? Maggoty ?-Yes ; there was a good dose % ' ] '* **** *** this? - Pret ty often ; I could not say that it was like that 82. Did you get any mustard and water ?_ Yes ; three or four times. On one occasion when Brother Piman gave it to me, it made blood come from my nose and mouth bd. When the blood came what did he do ?—He got hot water and bathed me He then propped me up with pillows for a while till I was all right. 84. How many cells do you know of under the stairs ?—Two of" S? ye y -° U ever been in them ? — No : but J have se en boys in both of them _ Bb. Ihere is one facing the front of the building. Where is the other ?—Eight underneath the staircase' * ° f ab ° Ut 4 f *' 6 rUnS d ° Wn to nothin §^ at the foot of the further' & UP " it?_YeS; he could at one end for about one yard or so; but not 88. Mr. Fell] Is it not a fact that the boys used to be " jolly glad "togo up the hill ? Were notuhe boys glad when the order came the night before to go up the hill?—I cannot say they f^, 89 !! 1 ? 1,5 the J ge v T dy f ° r this aS for a Picnic ?-Well, some had to be workin- up out of L bush! t0 g ° UP and dOWn - The StrOnger b ° ya Were taken t0 brin g the posts