Is there any higher than you ? —I am the highest orator in the district of A'ana. Did you have only one order made against you, or was there more than one order ? —1 had two orders—one before this last one. Was the previous order dated the 7th July ? —Yes, nine days before the other order. Where were you ordered to ?—Leulumoega. Is that your own place ? —Yes. Where were you when you got that order ? —I was at Lepea. Have you a copy of that I—No.1 —No. For how long were you sent back to Leulumoega ? —I was ordered to remain there for three months. So that, after nine days, you then got an order telling you to go to Vaiusu ? —Yes. And stay there for how long ? —To remain there for twelve months. Are you married ? —Yes. Any children ? —Yes, three children. Where are they living ? —They are living at our home in Leulumoega. Can they come and live with you at Vaiusu ?—They could not come and leave our home. That means that you have to live apart from your wife and children for over twelve months ? —Yes. Was there any arrangement made as to where you were to stay in Vaiusu ? —I was ordered to remain at Vaiusu in the house where the policeman found me when he came to serve the order on me. Was any arrangement made for your food and keep ? —When I received the order I spoke to Mr. Lewis about it, and told him that I was ordered to reside at Vaiusu, and that no arrangement had been made as to which house I should reside in, and that no arrangement had been made for my support in the way of food. And did you get any reply I—Mr.1 —Mr. Lewis did not answer me, but Tu'u'u answered me, saying, " You are to remain in the house in which you were found by the policeman." I then said to Tu'u'u, "If I am to reside in the house where I was found by the policeman, then I should reside at Lepea, since I was found in Vele's house in Lepea." Tu'u'u then said, " Have you no relatives in Vaiusu ? " 1 said, " It does not matter whether I have or have not, because I cannot go to my relatives' place, since I have not been invited." Judge MacCormick: What authority did the interpreter, Tu'u'u, have to give any instructions at all ? Mr. Slipper : Ido not know, sir, but the interpreter is an authorized official at Mulinu'u. The Natives apparently regard every one in Mulinu'u as having equal authority. (To witness :) Yes ?— lam still trying to finish the explanation. Tu'u'u then said to me, " Cannot you go and build yourself a house ? " I replied to him, saying, " Who is going to build it ? If the Government are going to erect a house for me, then I should not have to go to Vaiusu just yet, until the house is completed, and I can take up my residence there." Tu'u'u then said, " The Government cannot do anything more." I said, " Well, I will decide which house in Vaiusu I shall live in." Tu'u'u said, " Very well," so I went and lived at Nu'u's house at Vaiusu, and I am still living there. Was any provision made for the keep of your wife and children ? —The Government did not make any arrangement about that. Did the Government make any arrangement for the protection of your wife and children ? —No. Judge MacCormick: In connection with that, Mr. Slipper, I think you are speaking in New Zealand terms ? Mr. Slipper : I think that in the ordinary case of women and children some protection is required, and I think that also applies here. (To witness :) Do you know why the first order was made out ? —Because I joined the Mau. Did any one tell you about it ? —I was sent for by Mr. Griffin. When I appeared before him he said that the Government had learned that I was on the Mau committee, and told me that I should not be a member of that committee. Mr. Slipper: There is a point that we must clear up here. When I talk about the first order I am talking about one made apparently on the 7th July, 1927. There appears to be some confusion on this point, as he had more than two orders. The Chairman: I think that this conversation with Mr. Griffin was most probably a preliminary warning. Judge MacCormick.] Is it quite clear that you had a conversation on the subject with Mr. Griffin ? —Not after this order was made, but on one occasion I went to see Mr. Griffin and had a conversation with him when the Mau started. The Chairman: In the evidence so far there is no definite evidence as to when the Mau did start. Mr. Baxter: That is the dispute in point, sir. Mr. Slipper.] Tell us about the conversation with Mr. Griffin ?—I told Mr. Griffin that I would resign my Government appointment and that I would remain on the Mau committee. The Chairman : It could not have been the committee of the Mau then. There was no committee then. Mr. Baxter: The committee was formed in October, 1926, sir. Mr. Slipper.] What was this Government appointment ? —Pulefa'atoaga. Where ? —ln the A'ana district. Did you give up that position yourself, or were you taken out of it by the Malo ? —I resigned. The Chairman.] Can you give us the date of your resignation ?—I cannot say the date, but it was at the time I had the conversation with Mr. Griffin, shortly after the commencement of the Mau. Mr. Slipper.] When you resigned did you put your resignation in writing ?—First of all I gave notice of my resignation verbally, and then followed it up with a written resignation. To whom did you send that resignation ? —lt was addressed to Mr. Griffin.

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