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And you were told to remain there for three months ?—Yes. Before His Excellency made that order did he not ask you to give up working for the Mau ?—No. What did His Excellency say to you about the Mau —that is, about what you were doing in the Mau ? —He said nothing about the Mau. Are you sure that His Excellency did not say anything about your connection with the Mau —you must be careful ? —His Excellency spoke about it and advised me What did His Excellency advise you ? —He told me to leave the Mau, as it was wrong. And did you say that you would not leave the Mau ? —I did not answer, and did not have any opportunity of giving any explanation. After he finished talking I had to go at once. Did you tell the Administrator that you would not talk to the Natives about the Mau ? —As I said, I had no opportunity of saying a word. When I tried to speak His Excellency told me that there was no necessity for me to reply. Can you speak English ?—No, not at all. His Excellency can speak Samoan, can he not ? —Yes, I think he understands Samoan. Were you speaking in Samoan at this interview ?■ —His Excellency spoke in English and it was interpreted. Did you say anything at all at that meeting ? —No, not a word. You did not open your mouth at all ?—No. When you went back to your village did you again speak to the Samoans there about the Mau ? —Yes, I spoke to them about the Mau, but I did not ask them to join the Mau. You were asked, as you have already told us, to appear before the Administrator on the Administrator's malaga : were you not given a definite time in which to appear at the malaga in July, 1927 ? —Yes, I received instructions. And you did not come at that hour ? —No ; T did not go on that day, nor at all. It was after this that the order of banishment was made —that is, the second order ? —Yes, soon after that malaga I received that order. When you did not appear at all the first time were you not given another chance and you were late ? —Yes, that is so. Did you not, with others, sign a letter declining to leave Apia and meet the Administrator on his malaga ?—Yes, I signed that letter. Did you, with others, persuade the Natives in the various villages not to meet the Administrator on his malaga ?—No. Do you know how it was the Natives declined to meet the Administrator on his malaga ? —No. Was it done through the Mau ? —No. Those Natives who did not go, were they members of the Mau ? —Yes. Mr. Slipper.] Are the Natives compelled to meet the Administrator when he goes round on his malaga ? —That is the usual procedure—that is, the Administrator instructs the Faipules to instruct all the people of the districts to attend. If any of them do not attend do they get into trouble over it ?—The Faipule inflicts a punishment. What sort of punishment ?—A fine of 10s. to each person who fails to go along to the taalolo. To whom is that fine paid when it is inflicted ? —lt is paid to the Faipule. How long has that been the law ?—I cannot say ; two or three years ago it was commenced. Was there any similar law under any previous Administration ? —I do not know of the procedure before. When you signed the letter referred to, was that before or after the order of banishment was made ?—We got the banishment orders first, and it was as a result of the banishment orders that we wrote the letter. When this talk was going on about Tuimaleai'ifano forming a Mau at Falelatai had you been spoken to about this by the Government or anybody else ? —No. Judge MacCormick : He did not attend. He was asked to attend before the Administrator on two occasions, but he did not. Mr. Slipper.] Coming back to the conversation shortly after Christmas, was any order handed to you ? —I received a written order. To go away ? —Yes. Was the order for you to go at once ? —Yes, to immediately leave Apia. There were three orders made against you then ?—Yes, three written orders. Did you obey ?—Yes, I went. You were asked if you were not dismissed from your position as a public servant: you notice that my friend Mr. Meredith was asking that question with the Government files apparently in front of him ? —Yes. Did you see the Administrator again after the talk about criticism —that is, up to July —after the interview' in January : did you see him again ? —I did not interview him. again. Did you see any Government official or have any talk with a Government official ? —Only Mr. Lewis, with reference to the letter dismissing me. I received a letter from him stating that 1 was dismissed as from a certain date. I went and interviewed Mr. Lewis about it, and asked him to alter the word " dismissed " to the word " resigned." Had you written a letter yourself stating that you had resigned ? —I sent him my resignation in writing as well as verbally. Was he the only Government official you saw ? —Yes. Judge MacCormick : He was the only Government official that he could have seen or asked to see. He was specially asked to see the Administrator, and he definitely refused. He did not go at that time,

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