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If we tell you that they all said that they did not wish the Administrator to be removed, do you agree or disagree with them ? —I do not agree with them. Upon whom do the Natives look as the head of the Mau movement ?—The Samoan Committee members. Do you refer to the Samoan members on the Citizens Committee ?—Yes, the six Native members. The six Native members on the Citizens Committee ? —Yes. Whom do they look on as being the head of that committee—do they look on Mr. Nelson as head of that committee I—l1 —I do not know. I only know that of the six Samoan members of the committee. With regard to any others I know nothing about them. Mr. Baxter.'] You told Mr. Meredith that the object of the Mau was that Samoa should be governed by the Samoans : is that the only object, or are there other objects besides ? —I have nothing else to say about that. That is the only object you know ? —Yes. You have nothing else to complain about at all: is that the position ? —No, there will be other matters, but I cannot remember them just now. We will put it this way: besides this you have grievances you want to bring up"?—l have given those already. Yes, quite so ; but you wished to mention that you wanted Samoa to be governed by the Samoans, and you also wanted to mention the grievances you have told us about ? — Those are the things that I have been dissatisfied with. Tialavea Faitele sworn and examined. Mr. Slipper.] Where do you live ? —I live in Faleapuna. Your home is in Faleapuna ? —Yes. And you were banished to Falefa ?• —Yes. How far away is that ? —The next village; they adjoin. Is this the order you received ? —Yes. [Exhibit No. 24.] It is dated the 29th December, 1926 ?—Yes. And the banishment is during the pleasure of the Administrator, and no term is stated ?— Yes, that is so. What title do you hold ?—Tialavea. What kind of title is it ?—A chief. Why were you banished, do you know ? —On account of matters which our village wished to place before the Administrator. What was the nature of those matters ? —We wished the Faipule to request His Excellency the Administrator to have Molio'o, the last witness, returned to Faleapuna. Is there anything else \ —l complained against the Faipule, in that he was working for his own ends and not for the benefit of the district. Any other matter ? —Another thing is that we had no Government appointment for our village. Our village did not get any of the Government appointments. [The Interpreter here explained that the Natives like to have some person in their village appointed a Government official, and these people had none.] Any other matter ?—The Faipule also lies. Are you still talking about the matters you wanted to bring up to the Government ? —Yes. Are there any other matters ? —That is all I can remember. You say you got banished : what went wrong ? —I have no idea why I was punished. Why, then, do you say that it was on account of these things ?—Because they are concerning Faleapuna affairs. Has nobody ever told you why you were banished ?—No. Did you ever go up before the Faipules to be questioned about it ? —Yes. What did they say about it ? —The Faipules did not charge me with anything. The onlv thing that made me get punished was these matters of the dissatisfaction of the Faipules. Were all these things mentioned before the Faipules [perusing the Samoa Guardian of the 4th August, 1927] ? —I spoke about them. Who mentioned them ? —I spoke about them. Did anybody else speak with you ? —Yes, Savusa assisted me. Anybody else ?—Yes, Peai. Anybody else ? —And Tialavea Vevesi. That is all I can remember. Were you people brought before the Faipules by a request from them, or did you go on your own account to talk about Faleapuna affairs ? —We were called. Verbally or by a written order ? —We sent a letter to Mr. Griffin, telling of our complaints. Mr. Griffin then told the two bearers of the letter that we were to appear at Mulinu'u on the 16th October, 1926. Have you got that letter ? —I did not get a letter from Mr. Griffin ;he just sent a verbal message to us to appear on the 16th October, 1926. Were you told why you were to appear ? —The message was that we were to come to Mulinu'u on the 16th October and put forward our complaints ; so we went. You went there and put forward your complaints ? —Yes. Did you get any satisfaction over your complaints ? —He sent us away saying that he would refer the matter to the Administrator. Were there any accusations brought against you ? —No.

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