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I)id other members of the Mau also keep away in your district ?—I do not know, as I was away in Aleipata. That was this year ? —Yes. Did the Mau members at Aleipata keep away ?—I do not know; I was busy at work. Did you hear Molio'o give evidence ? —Yes. Do you agree with Molio'o that the object of the Mau is to have government of Samoa by the Samoans ?—Yes. And that the only purpose for havingJNew Zealand and the British flag here is to be under protection of the British flag "Yes. Whom do you look on as the head of the Mau movement in Samoa I—Mr.1 —Mr. Nelson. The Chairman.] Did I understand you to say that the Mau wishes the Samoans to make the laws and administer the revenue of the country I—Yes1 —Yes ; I mean the Legislative Council with the addition of three Samoan members to make the laws and attend to the finance.

Monday, 3rd October, 1927. Moananu Fa'afoi sworn and examined. Mr. Slipper.] What is your name ? —My name is Moananu, son of Malietoa. You have been banished and your title taken away ? —Yes. Have you been banished more than once, or only the once I—Only1—Only once. And is this the order of banishment, dated the 27th April, 1925 [Exhibit No. 25] ?—Yes. Where were you living when you were banished I—Mulifanua1 —Mulifanua is my proper home, and I was taken away from there. Where were you banished to ? —To Letogo. The Chairman: How far is Letogo from Mulifanua ? Mr. Slipper: About thirty-two miles, sir. The Chairman : It is in Upolu ? Mr. Slipper: Yes, sir. Mulifanua is almost at the extreme of the island towards the west, and Letogo is four miles towards the east from Apia. (To witness :) Referring to the title^which has been taken away from you, what is the name of the title ? —Moananu. What kind of a title is that ?—A chief's title—title of the son of Malietoa. Who is Malietoa ? —Malietoa is the king. Did you ever hold a Government position ? —I was a District Fa'amasino—that is, a District Judge. You were dismissed from, the position of Fa'amasino, were you not? —Yes. The Chairman.'] What is the date of that letter ?—22nd September, 1923. The Interpreter then read out to their Honours a translation of the letter, as follows :— " To Moananu, Mulifanua. —With reference to the violation of the law by you, regarding fine mats, when you were on a malaga to Savai'i, His Excellency the Administrator has decided as follows : You are from this date dismissed from the position of Fa'amasino, which you have held in the Government All Government stationery and other Government property in your possession to be returned immediately to this office. —H. S. Griffin, Secretary, Native Affairs." Mr. Slipper.] What was the trouble about the " fine mats " : what had you done ? —-There was a debt owing by our people, and we went with " fine mats "to pay this debt to Fagamalo. The mats were delivered to the chiefs and orators of Fagamalo. And after that were your people and these people at Fagamalo satisfied that the debt was paid, and the whole thing concluded ?—Yes. Has there been any other trouble about " fine mats," or is that the only occasion ?— I That is the only trouble about " fine mats," and it is the one which caused me dismissal from my appointment. Who made that law prohibiting the " fine mats " ? —The Government and the Faipules. Now, in 1925, two years later, as we see, you were banished : why were you banished ?—I was banished, and think that there were five charges brought against me by the Faipule of our district and other people of the district. Give us the name of that Faipule ? —Tuilaepa. Judge MacCormick.] This was some time after the dismissal, was it ? —Yes, in 1925—the 27th August, 1925. Mr. Slipper.] Did you appear before any of the Faipules to be questioned about this matter ? — I was summoned and appeared before Mr. McCarthy at Mulinu'u. How were you summoned—in writing or by word of mouth ?—By verbal summons. What were you charged with when you got there I—The1 —The first charge was that I had opened the pedigree of Leiataua. What exactly does that mean ?—The only thing that I can say is that I was alleged to have opened up the pedigree of Chief Leiataua. The Chairman: It is a very grave offence to question or discuss the pedigree of a chief. Judge MacCormick: That is on record, and that is why I would not ask the question you wished me to ask the other day. I feared it would give offence. Mr. Slipper.] What happened to you on that charge % —Mr. Griffin did not decide that point. What was the next charge ?—The next charge was that I had opened up or discussed the pedigree of Ifopo. Another charge was that I had opened or discussed the pedigree of Tauti. Also that I had opened or discussed the pedigree of To'oa—that is, the title of the sister of Moananu. Also that I had

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