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Did anybody ever tell you that ? —No. Did anybody ever ask you any questions about your conduct before the first order was made ? No. Did any official ask you before the first order was made whether you belonged to the Mau ? — There were people of the Government that asked me about it and told me not to come to the Mau. What people ? —The Faipule of Aleipata. What talk did you have with the Faipule ? —He talked to me and explained the reason why I should not join the Mau, and I told him that I had already made up my mind and I should not withdraw from it. Was there more than one Faipule ? —Only my own Faipule. What was his name ? —Mata'afa. Do you know of anything that you have done to interfere with the peace, order, and good government of the country ? —No. Do you know whether yourself or any other people in the Mau have talked about doing anything against the Government ? —No, not any of the chiefs of the Mau. The second order was on the 2nd July, 1927 ? —On the 7th July. Do you know why that order was made ? —I do. How do you know ?-—There were two letters served upon me —by the Judge, and also by the Government. These two documents contained an order for my return to Aleipata. Did any official of any sort —the Administrator or any one else—talk to you about these matters before that order was made ?— No. Did anybody ask you any questions about your conduct before the order was made ? —No. Did you obey that order when made ? —I did not obey the order that I was to return to my village and my district. Did you have any talk with His Excellency about this time at Mulinu'u?—Only the first time, during the first punishment. The last punishment was tried before the Court. Did you appear before His Excellency just before the second order was made ? —No. When was it that you appeared before His Excellency ? —I did not go. Were you not there at Mulinu'u with Alipea and Saga ? —That was what I wanted to explain at first. During the first punishment I appeared before the Governor and talked with Afamasaga and Alipea. Was it during the first banishment or just before the banishment ? —I appeared before His Excellency. Can you give us some idea what the talk was about when you were before His Excellency ?— The Governor asked why I was being led astray by the merchants; and, secondly, that I should leave the Mau and return to my home. Then I was given three months' imprisonment. Were the papers handed to you that day ? —Yes. At the same interview ?- The same day. Had there been any previous inquiry before that that you know of ? —No And were you being led astray by the merchants ? —-No. Had the merchants anything to do with you over this matter ? —No. Going back to the second order; you say nobody spoke to you about it at all ? Did you appear before the Governor ? —Twice I had been ordered by the Judge to return to my home and to discontinue what I had been doing. What Judge was that ? —Chief Judge. Was that before or after the banishment order was made ? —The order was sent to me first for my return to my home. The only thing I received was this order telling me to return to my home. Judge MacCormick: After he got that order to return, did he have any interview with an officer of the Government before he was summoned to appear before the Court ? Mr. Slipper : That is not the question. The Chairman : May I suggest that you leave it to Mr. Meredith to see if he can straighten things out when he is cross-examining. Mr. Slipper.\ You did not obey the order, did you ? —I did not obey it. And then you were brought into Court, were you not, and by a policeman ? —Yes. And did he take you away then and there, or hand you a piece of paper to come later on ? — I went along with the policeman. Where did you go to first of all ?—I was first sent for by Inspector Braisby and was held in his office. This was the day I was ordered to appear before the Court. Were you put in the lock-up at all ? —No. You came up to the Court that day ?- The Court did not take place that day. How many days after did it take place ? —One day. And what became of you overnight ?— I was at Tauese. Under arrest or not ? —I was there under order of the Court that I was to appear when the trial took place. Judge MacCormick.'] Where is Tauese ? —A«few hundred yards down the road. Mr. Slipper.'] And when you did appear you were found guilty of a breach of the order ? —I was asked why I did not obey the first order. I replied, " I will not obey the first order, and I will not return to my district." You were sentenced to three months' imprisonment ?—Yes. You are in gaol now ? —Yes. Mr. Meredith.] Is not that your signature to a letter to the Administrator, dated the 25th June, 1927 [File of letters put in—Exhibit No. 29] ? -Yes, that is my name.

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