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Whatjdo you think is the best thing to do ? —Proper liquor should be provided to the European so that this vile liquor should be removed. Would that be more like old times again ? —Yes. You remember that the Government of New Zealand took the liquor away from the white man ? — I remember. Can you tell us whether the white man had been doing anything to deserve the liquor being taken away from him in that manner ? —I do not know of anybody committing any offence to justify the taking away of liquor from the European® in Samoa. Were you satisfied with the position then ? —I am quite satisfied that there was no harm done to the Samoans. Are you satisfied now I—No, 1 am not satisfied with the present position in Samoa, as regards liquor. Is it likely to get worse or is it likely to get better ? —There will be a lot of trouble with the Samoans. Is the drinking among the Samoans getting worse or is it less ?—lt is increasing very rapidly. Are you saying these things for the good of the white man or for the good of your own people ? —- I am speaking for the benefit of my own countrymen. Mr. Meredith.] Have you ever tasted whisky yourself ? —Yes. Often ? —Yes. Have you ever drunk beer ? —Yes. Often ? —Yes. Have you ever drunk wine ?—Yes. Often.—Yes. When did you first drink whisky ? —Before prohibition came into force and right up to the present I have tasted whisky. Do you like whisky ?—I like it, but it makes me ill. Have you ever been ill through drinking too much whisky ? —Even if I drink a lot or a little I always feel that it does not do me any good. Do you often drink a lot ? —Yes. Have you ever made fa'amafu ?—Yes. Have you made it often ? —No, I have not made it often. Do they makefa'amafu in your village ?—Yes. You are the chief there, are you not ? —Yes, I am chief of the village. What have you done to stop your people from making fa'amafu ?—I have asked them to refrain from making fa'amafu. Have you ever drank any fa'amafu that was made in the village ? —Yes. Have you drunk it often ?—Yes. Mr. Slipper.] Is it for you to give orders in your village ? —The pulenu'u is the man for that work ■ —-I have no Government appointment. The pulenu'u is the responsible Government official in the village —I am the responsible chief for my own people. How long have you been away from the village lately ? —I have been away since the 22nd June. That is, banished ? —Yes. To Apolima ? —Yes. Leleua sworn and examined. Mr. Slipper.] You are a Native District Judge ?—Yes, of Vaimoso. Are you aware that there is prohibition of liquor in Samoa ? —Yes. Do you remember the time before prohibition ? —I remember. In those days were the Samoans doing any drinking worth talking about ? —Hardly any of them drank liquor. Are they just the same now ? —I have not noticed any drinking since prohibition came into force. Have you noticed any brewing ? —Yes. Is that brewing done by the Natives or papalagi ? —Samoans and half-castes. I misunderstood you. I thought the question referred to imported liquor when I said that I have not noticed any drinking since prohibition. As regards fa'amafu there is quite a good deal of it. Is it or is it not growing—that is, the habit of drinking fa'amafu ? —lt is increasing. Is that any good for young people ? —lt is bad. Do you see any drunkenness among your people now ?—Quite a lot. At the time when prohibition came in do you know of anything that the white people were doing to justify the New Zealand Government in taking away their liquor license ? —I did not see any act to justify the putting into force of prohibition. It is common knowledge that the idea of the New Zealand Government was to protect the Natives against drink ?—I know of that. It was the intention of New Zealand to stop the Samoans from getting drink : has it had that effect ?—By prohibiting liquor in Samoa it has increased the consumption of fa'amafu. How do you account for the Natives taking up this fa'amafu, either by way of brewing it or drinking it ? —Whites and half-castes have taught the Samoans how to make fa'amafu. Is there anything else in Samoa from which intoxicating liquor can be made ? —Cocoa, mummyapple, and other fruits. What do you think is the best way to fix up the difficulty ? —ln my opinion, for the good of my countrymen I would like the Europeans to get their liquor, but the brewing of this fa'amafu should be stopped.

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